about Quebec was the political stuff and
the language stuff that fell under that.
Other than that I thought it was the same
as the rest of Canada. I realized how
dumb that was.
I started looking at some of the statistics and the less than 3 per cent of Evangelicals in the province. I started talking
to other pastors, who have been very
welcoming. I started noticing the number
of times people would say to me, “Thank
you for coming to Quebec.” I’ve never
been thanked before for coming to a
place. I’m getting phone calls from other
pastors. I’ve been for dinner more times
in Montreal than I ever was in Hamilton.
I feel like the best description I’ve come
up with is that Ontario is bored with
church, but they still know what it is.
Quebec, it’s not even on the radar unless
it’s the Catholic Church, and then it’s that
love/hate thing. They push against it, but
it’s the only church [they know]. Evangel-
icalism is viewed as a strange sect. Chris-
tians are anxious to connect with each
other because you don’t run into them too
much. What a mission field!
FT: Tell us about the boredom in Ontario.
PM: I’m sure it must be the Church’s fault.
Whose fault can it be? I love the Church.
I’m a pastor in the Church. If we’re boring
people, then we are missing the boat. Jesus
isn’t boring. We are doing something wrong.
FT: Are we talking about church services being
boring? Because there are always letters from
Millennials online telling churches to stop trying
to entertain them.
PM: In some cases we are still trying to put
on a show, which was really big in the ’80s
and ’90s, and which doesn’t matter anymore. We can’t do shows better than
anyone else. We have to find authenticity,
the raw genuine. That is a big thing with
When I was in Hamilton, the number of
them who had been to church as a kid, but
weren’t interested now, was huge. It just
didn’t matter to them. They thought it was
irrelevant. Both within and without,
maybe we’ve lost our ability to catch their
attention. We look like we are an institu-
THE FT INTERVIEW
I hope that the Church in Canada will learn to . . . look at
how we can reach people because they are people that
Jesus loves. It’s not about the program and the labels. It’s
the people. Get outside the walls and find the people.”
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