found out about her former life.
GG: That saddens me. I don’t doubt that it
happens. Thankfully I’m not hearing that
in my circles. It is a learning curve for most
of us middle-class people who have been
in church for a while. This is not common
for us. We’re not used to coming to church
and sitting beside a woman who has been
We have to reach a place of loving
unconditionally. The average number of
times it takes a woman to get out is seven
attempts. If we meet her at attempt one,
there will be lots of time for love and grace.
At the forums we do, just about every
FT: So how does Defend Dignity interact
time our women share their stories, there
are three or four women coming and say-
ing, “This was part of my journey and I
never told anyone.”
It’s a little naïve of us to think there
aren’t women in our church who have
had this as part of their journey.
GG: We do information forums. We come
in and we bring in one of these gals to tell
their stories. We partner with the EFC and
Julia Beazley comes with her knowledge
of the law. We’re advocating for the Nordic model and Julia does a piece on that.
We have a Calgary police officer travelling
with us now. He’s passionate about speaking to men and adds a great component
by talking about pornography. We try
and find a frontline organization in the
local area doing great things with the gals.
People need the local groups right there to
We have tables set up with template
letters to MPs. We’ve put together a whole
packet. We have done the research. If you
took half an hour and read through, you’d
have more knowledge than your MP.
FT: But what about my church? I live in
a smaller town outside Toronto where I
don’t think we have prostitution as an
GG: Oh my. You do, you do. Before I come
and speak, I go on Craigslist in your part of
the world and that tells the story. That’s all
it takes – two clicks on my computer and
I can tell you who is for sale in your part
of the world. If one in nine men is buying,
we are pretty confident they are doing it
in your area.
FT: Do you ever have people who just
don’t want to hear about this issue?
GG: I think what I’ve seen is God at work
in such miraculous ways again and again
and again. It is the joy of my life to tell
people the difference God is making. The
doors that have opened for us, the way He
has come through. We had been in existence for about a year. There were three of
us as the core group. We knew we needed a First Nations woman sitting on our
team, because how dare we speak on this
issue without that woman at our table?
I kept seeing a woman’s face that had
been a cook at the soup kitchen I volunteered at years before. I knew nothing
about her – just her first name and that
she had lots of kids. I called her. I gave
her the ten-minute version of who we
were. She had been praying for a couple
of months that God would use her story
to affect women in Canada. A block from
where we had been sitting, she had been
turned out on the streets as a 13-year-old
to prostitute. Her story is one from tragedy
So now she sits on our team and is
one of our speakers. I see again and again
God’s heart for the oppressed. When we
do what He wants us to do, these wonderful things happen.
FT: What is your sense on the situation
in Canada with the Nordic model specifically? What do you think will happen?
GG: My sense is that the Supreme Court is
going to do away with our laws. I totally believe in Jesus’ supremacy on this issue. No
matter what the Supreme Court decides,
it’s a good opportunity for Parliament to
bring in really good laws that would work. I
know that Parliament will have to respond.
My job is to keep doing what I’m doing and
leave the results up to the Lord.
One of the beauties of our system is
that we can influence for change, talk to
politicians and let them know what our
Let’s be talking to our kids, our young
boys. We sure better be addressing this
with our young guys. How do we talk to
and treat girls and women? A buyer just
doesn’t one day decide to go out and buy
a woman. There have been steps that led
to that. It is an economic truth that this
thing would go away if we didn’t have men
FT: Thank you. FT
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